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I'm Jason McClellan I'm here with

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Maureen Elsberry and Shane herd and we

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are happy you're hanging out with us

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today we have another episode of History

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Channel's tramatic series Project Blue

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Book to talk about today but first just

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a couple quick announcements here

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Maureen and I are presenting a panel at

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Emerald City Comicon in Seattle

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Washington on Friday March 15th titled

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real-life x-files strange stories of

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real paranormal investigations Emerald

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City Comic Con runs March 14th through

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the 17th at the Washington State

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Convention Center for more information

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about the event and buy tickets go to

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Emerald City Comicon comm I don't know

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about you Maureen but I'm getting pretty

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excited for this event yeah I'm pumped

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I've never spoke in my hometown so I'm

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excited for that and you know it's kind

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of funny because Emerald City Comicon

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I've been once or twice as as pres okay

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those will be my first time as a guest

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and it usually sells out right away and

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it hasn't yet and I wonder if it's

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because we're on the schedule yeah that

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might be that might be we might have

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ruined Emerald City Comicon now but

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they've expanded and it's going to be a

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big event I think it's usually around

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over a hundred thousand people that are

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there so few people are interested in

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the strange yeah I hope so too I think

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they will be I'm super excited it's one

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of the big comic-con events that I've

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always wanted to go to and I've never

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been so I'm excited I get to experience

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it with you and we get to share our

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strange with everybody there so that's

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gonna be super fun then on June 21st

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through the 23rd Ryan Sprague and I will

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be speaking at alien Con in Los Angeles

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California and you just might see Shane

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and Maureen there too

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we'll certainly be talking much more

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about alien Con as it gets closer the

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alien Con comm is the events website

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that's where you should go to learn more

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about the event and it's where you can

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grab tickets all right with

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announcements out of the way let's get

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into this week's project Bluebook

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discussion though many if not most of

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you are probably familiar with this new

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TV show but if you're not this is the

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new dramatic series on history titled

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Project Blue Book and it's named after

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the United States Air Force's official

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UFO study that ran from 1952 through

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the show is a fictional show based on

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this real study and so we're up to three

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episodes now a project Bluebook

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that have aired as of the date were

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recording this episode and the real case

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is explored by the show so far are the

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gorman UFO dogfight of 1948 the

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flatwoods monster of 1952 and today

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we're talking about the third case the

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Lubbock lights of 1951 before we share

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our personal thoughts of project

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Bluebook steak on the Lubbock lights

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overview of the real case of the Lubbock

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lights so Shane go ahead and give it to

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alright guys one of my favorite cases

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love it love it love it and glad to

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in 1951 there was a series of sightings

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lot like you know Stephenville lights or

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Phoenix lights with this many witnesses

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you know even on the project Bluebook

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show they kind of they had a scene in

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the classroom with all these people in

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there and you know Quinn was going to

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dismiss them thinking they they were the

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students left over from the class but hi

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bam everyone did so there there was you

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know like a couple hundred people there

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you know they had sightings so as far as

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the actual project Bluebook goes one of

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the things that they profiled I thought

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that was very good was the number of

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different witnesses and who they were so

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the first group that was really

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interesting were three professors from

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Texas Tech college there and they're

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hanging out in the backyard and they

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were talking about meteorites and things

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like that when all of a sudden they saw

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this massive formation of lights glide

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right over the top of them and you know

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they looked at it with they're kind of

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critical eye and they thought you know

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that that was really something and and

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in fact they anticipated that they

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should see it again and in fact an hour

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later the lights flew over again

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they were able to observe it and so that

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was kind of an interesting group of

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folks in fact Edie rule was noted he

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said that if a group had been

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hand-picked to observe a UFO we couldn't

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have picked a more technically qualified

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group of people so that was pretty cool

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about different groups of people there

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was a guy from the Atomic Energy

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observed it and you know talk talk to

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project Bluebook about it then there was

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another man and woman who this guy was

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you know he had been through some pretty

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tough stuff in the war and so forth and

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when he made his report he wanted to

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make sure that they understood that as

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much as he had undergone in his life

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this scared him as much as anything he

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so it really you know impacted him a

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great deal and then you know sight from

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students and professors and you know

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different residents there there was one

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guy from Texas Tech and his name was

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fact and he had seen the lights and

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anticipated seeing them later

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and so he started carrying around with

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them his kodak 35-millimeter camera and

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then one night sure enough the lights

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came back and he got several photos of

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it I think three the first time and then

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two more the second time and those so

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those are the famous images that that we

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all see and then through the course of a

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few weeks the newspaper got involved the

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town was a store you know people were

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investigating it themselves and then I

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think as we saw in the episode one

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professor suggested it that these were

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birds and lights were reflecting off

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them and that was the explanation

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however even on Project Blue Book they

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kind of said well well I was Ruth helped

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himself he said that um I thought that

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the professor lights might have been

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some kind of birds reflecting the light

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from the mercury vapor lights but I was

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wrong they weren't Birds they weren't

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refract refracted light

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and they go on to have you know kind of

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a let that explanation go if no group L

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felt there's much more to it than that

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so I thought that was pretty interesting

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too so yeah with that you know it was

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reported widely reported locally and

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of the classic cases and ufology yeah

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for sure and I love these mass sightings

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cases and this one was a fun one to see

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depicted on television so let's talk

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about the show's portrayal of the

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Lubbock lights and what we sort of

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thought about that so Maureen what did

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project Bluebook steak on the Lubbock

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lights I thought it was very

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middle-of-the-road honestly like it's

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all right there you know there's there's

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a lot of meat to this case in the terms

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of a lot of people saw this there is

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some photographic evidence but other

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than that there's not like a ton behind

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it so it was interesting to see how they

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they were able to like reenact the

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events and the theory and it's kind of

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funny because you know in terms of the

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plover explanation and the birds that

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was a part of the real case and a part

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of this it's you know you look at those

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photos and you're like there's no way

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this is birds however birds are an

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explanation and have been mistaken for

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you of those many times in the past we

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know so it's it's interesting to see it

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reflected in a case where you look at

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the photographic evidence and you say I

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you know I really highly doubt that that

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is a flock of birds reflecting light

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right now but yeah I mean I don't know

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for some reason I was a little bit more

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bored in this in this case in terms of

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watching it but I also like how you know

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they're kind of building up this whole

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animosity against what they're doing and

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you have you know whatever is going on

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with the like sort of men and black type

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hat characters going on and then the

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neighborhood in this fear that's

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developing publicly because it was a

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time where everyone was very on edge and

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scared and so yeah I don't know I

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honestly don't have a very strong

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opinion about this with this week's

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episode mm-hmm

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Shane you said this is one of your

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favorite cases what do you think of how

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Project Blue Book portrayed it yeah I

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think it was fine I mean you know I'm

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also kind of watching this show not just

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simply in the context of what they did

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with it how it compares to the case I

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mean that's important obviously we were

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discussing that but I'm also kind of

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just you know intrigued in the story and

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you know I'm like I'm kind of worried

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about me me and what's going on with her

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and what I did think two Marines point I

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think they did a good job in helping lay

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the foundation or the context for the

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fear with this whole business with the

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nuclear threat with the Russians and so

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you know baby mimi built the the little

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bomb shelter thing and you know all the

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different characters like the people in

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the street you could imagine you know

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that just everyone is on edge they

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aren't in fear and so when you interject

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something that's out of the norm like

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seeing a UFO I mean real I think it

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comes off from the same place the

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reaction that people had and I think

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they did a good job kind of capturing

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that and laying that out because you

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know I'm old enough I lived through some

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of it I was born in 61 and when I was a

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kid in grade school we had to do the

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whole duck-and-cover drills where you

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get under your desk or line up in the

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hallway in crouch and cover your head

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thing well I mean that that was a

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profound reality for a lot of people and

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so with that backdrop I kind of you know

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I could identify with that and it kind

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of made it a little bit different impact

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on me from that perspective too yeah I

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think that's funny actually the so I had

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commented on I think it was history

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Canada posted a tiny clip from when

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Mimi's first going over to talk to her

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neighbor about this bombshell she's

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she's doing and it has the world's

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smallest little

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hence that me bends over to open and I

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said I commented and said hey can we

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please talk about that tiny tiny of that

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fences and the actress that plays Mimi

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responded and she was like I thought the

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same thing while we were shooting it I

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was like yeah that that was my biggest

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mystery of that episode was like why is

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that tiny question step over it so

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easily it was so weird but yeah laughing

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but yeah you definitely see that fear in

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her and she's alone now

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you know I he's gone all the time and so

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yeah I agree with you it's interesting

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to watch the cultural time frame of what

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was going on outside of the UFO field

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that was contributing you know what

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people are seeing what do you think

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Jason you know I I had fun with it and

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like Shane you know I'm enjoying this as

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you know just a a UFO fan who's watching

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this as a UFO show not necessarily from

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a historical perspective I think you

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know there's only so much you can do

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again with with a UFO sighting case yes

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a lot of people saw it but then what

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else do you do so you know although this

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didn't really necessarily happen at the

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same time you know they're showing some

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things that we have from other cases

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like vehicles and radios and stuff being

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affected by you know maybe

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electromagnetic interference and things

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like that we're seeing some of that

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brought into this case which wasn't

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really a part of this case but something

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interesting and I'm kind of confused

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maybe you guys can help me sort of sort

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this out with this case it was funny how

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they brought the electricity aspect into

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it and the the power going out when this

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thing was near because they had the

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power going out and this thing goes over

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yet they still used the explanation of

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it was Birds illuminated by the street

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lamps which as we saw during the time

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this happened the street lamps go out

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yeah exactly you know that didn't happen

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in the real case in the show it was an

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odd choice I think for them to do that

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because that right there negated or or

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you know debunked their own explanation

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because there was no light to reflect

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but I think that's what they kind of

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wanted

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you know yes see why you say that there

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that the new this explanation was not

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plausible okay I like that but but also

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I I don't know why guys I think I'm

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losing my mind I totally forgot until

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you mentioned that about the whole I'm

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the truck accident and then going to to

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having that happen because it's it's

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almost like they're they're trying to

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also have the same sort of storyline for

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Quinn that is with jail and hynek's real

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life of this discovery of like whoa

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something weird is happening

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yeah and like you can see his discomfort

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of what happened to me in that car yeah

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yeah yeah kind of strange and I thought

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what was weird too is their choice you

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know this is just an artistic feature

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but their choice of how to damage those

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vehicles I mean I've never seen that

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anywhere you know wholesome not spoiling

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it for some but you know when I'm saying

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the wrinkly hmm and yeah I mean I'd

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never seen anything like that I just

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said that such an unusual lately and

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that's what they wanted it's what they

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were going for so if you listen to the

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most recent episode of sci-fi wires

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Project Blue Book podcast me

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specifically discuss that and talk about

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how when they were you know coming up

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with this you know truck accident they

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wanted something that looked you know

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completely alien something that you

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would obviously there's no way anything

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we know of could cause something cause a

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vehicle to look like that they were

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really searching for something that just

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looked bizarre so they had that in mind

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for whatever reason that's that's one of

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the artistic things that they were was a

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sticking point and I thought it was cool

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I mean you see it you're oh wow that's

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yeah and you know maybe this whole

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there's some intent maybe to keep things

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slightly ambiguous when it comes to like

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you know including the the power outage

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and the electrical effects and you know

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all these things like that with this

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case you're suggesting rain is it you

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know they know they know likely that

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wasn't the explanation

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and but they don't have one and so they

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were destroying several things out there

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to maybe indicate to the audience that

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this is kind of the nature of of

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Bluebook and some of the things that

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have to happen is even as a MUFON

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investigator you get to a point where

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it's really all you can say is that

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either there's definitely not these

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things or if you say it is a certain

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thing even that is kind of subject to

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the fact that you weren't there and you

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didn't see it I mean it's the most

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plausible explanation but it doesn't

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mean that's what it was so I mean just

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by its own nature it's very ambiguous as

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what the cause and effects are these

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things yeah and I think too it's what

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they're doing throughout this series is

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they're taking little bits and pieces of

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what is known as trace evidence at these

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cases over like the whole this is what

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people are experiencing during UFO

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sightings or this has been reported in a

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billion cases so they're kind of like

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bringing in those little bits of

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evidence to give a greater picture of

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the phenomena as a whole possibly that's

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just my guess yeah I think you're right

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and to make it more exciting because

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let's be honest like if we just were

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like oh they saw these lights and here's

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a picture well just a reminder that

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history provides information about the

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real cases they use for inspiration and

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project Bluebook right on the network's

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website they show this info immediately

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following the episodes when they are on

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TV but if you're interested in hearing

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even more I recommend visiting history's

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website and watching the short videos

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they produced that feature UFO historian

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Richard Dolan and allotted UFO

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researcher jacques valet have you guys

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watched any of those videos no I don't I

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haven't seen that yeah they're really

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cool to write on history's website and

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yeah rich and Jacque you know sort of it

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they're very very short videos you know

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just a couple minutes but they just kind

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of comment and give a brief overview

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like we do on this show of the actual

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case and it's kind of cool coming from

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rich Dolan and Jacques ballet so that's

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awesome check those out absolutely so

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the fourth episode of Project Blue Book

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airs on January 29th

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and not episode centers on Operation

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Paperclip we'll see what they do with

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that one this should be interesting very

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interesting I mean that's a space geek

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I'm excited but also kind of nervous to

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see what I'm gonna do with Operation

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Paperclip

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so we'll see what happens that's January

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29th if you've missed any of Project

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Blue Book episodes you can I believe you

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can catch full episodes on history's

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website at history.com also on their

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youtube yes on their youtube as well

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I'm Shane Hurd

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do us a favor friends always treat the

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responsible skepticism it deserves

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question everything had the courage to

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form your own opinions keep truth as the

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focus of your quest even if truth

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conflicts with your opinions and of

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